Memogate: Can Mansoor Ijaz be trusted?

By Ahsan Butt Nov 19, 2011 11:48PM UTC

I have a whole lot to say about Memogate but I will wait until more facts are in and/or Husain Haqqani is actually relieved of his duties. There’s just so much murkiness on this issue right now that I simply don’t feel comfortable commenting.

There is one thing that I think I should mention though: Mansoor Ijaz is an Ahmedi. As such, he is not only not a Muslim, but he barely qualifies as a human being. Therefore, he cannot be trusted.

Mansoor Ijaz, untrustworthy Ahmedi

I have only learned about the lack of trustworthiness and lack of humanity of Ahmedis from the same exact people who are making the loudest noises over Memogate, i.e. the ghairat brigade on TV. For these lessons, I am grateful to them.

But I am slightly confused about their strident stance on Memogate — going so far as calling for Haqqani to be tried for treason — a stance which seems entirely predicated on believing the word of an Ahmedi. How can this be? Can someone please clarify?

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Pakistanfirst1947

wt nonsenace is this, if he is ahmadi then wt, bugger ahmadis have long historty of pakistan service, only pakistani and muslim to get nobel prize is Dr Abdus salam, Gen iftikar janjua, Gen Iftikar malik, hero of chawinda war gen Abdul ali and thoused more in army and civil, only pakistani and muslim to be appointed as chief justice of internationl court of justices Sir zafar ullah khan, trusted friend of quaid and 1st forigen minister of pakistan
Pakistanfirst1947

wt nonsenace is this, if he is ahmadi then wt, bugger ahmadis have long historty of pakistan service, only pakistani and muslim to get nobel prize is Dr Abdus salam, Gen iftikar janjua, Gen Iftikar malik, hero of chawinda war gen Abdul ali and thoused more in army and civil, only pakistani and muslim to be appointed as chief justice of internationl court of justices Sir zafar ullah khan, trusted friend of quaid and 1st forigen minister of pakistan
Pakistanfirst1947

wt nonsenace is this, if he is ahmadi then wt, bugger ahmadis have long historty of pakistan service, only pakistani and muslim to get nobel prize is Dr Abdus salam, Gen iftikar janjua, Gen Iftikar malik, hero of chawinda war gen Abdul ali and thoused more in army and civil, only pakistani and muslim to be appointed as chief justice of internationl court of justices Sir zafar ullah khan, trusted friend of quaid and 1st forigen minister of pakistan
Abdullah

I should not make any difference, if he is Ahmedi or not- Facts are importants.–Abdullah
http://www.facebook.com/people/Hamza-Javaid/628640141 Hamza Javaid

Haha. Very well put. Lame comments show ppl not getting it at all.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Hamza-Javaid/628640141 Hamza Javaid

Haha. Very well put. Lame comments show ppl not getting it at all.
Mukhtar Malik

Don’t put spins, they wouldn’t work!!! The facts are out there for everyone to see. The real responsibility is that of Haqqani’s boss seeking foreign help against his own “national security” appratus and pledging to do their bidding!!! Mukhtar Malik
Mukhtar Malik

Don’t put spins, they wouldn’t work!!! The facts are out there for everyone to see. The real responsibility is that of Haqqani’s boss seeking foreign help against his own “national security” appratus and pledging to do their bidding!!! Mukhtar Malik
Nasim Malik

One of the comments lack this information that the Late Lt. Gen Akthar Hussain Malik brother of Lt Gen Abdul Ali Malik was also an Ahmadi Muslim.
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Hashmi

It does not matter if he is Ahmedi or not. And he is a third person, we should put on trial an ambassador who was supposed to be on Pakistan’s payroll and ambassador to US for Pakistan. Not ambassador to US for US.

He should be tried for treason and hanged in public. Even flogging to death would be a lesser punishment.
Nasim Malik

Very interesting Mr Ahsan! Why did father of the nation Quaid-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah Knowing this that Ch. Muhammad Zafrullah Khan Sahib was an well known Ahmediy Muslim and he trusted him the most and appionted him the first Foreign minister of Pakistan and served concurrently as leader of Pakistan’s delegation to the UN (1947–54). From 1954 to 1961 he served as a member of the International Court of Justice at The Hague. He again represented Pakistan at the UN in 1961–64 and served as president of the UN General Assembly in 1962–63. All the members of the Muslim nations at the United Nation voted for Ch Sahib. Returning to the International Court of Justice in 1964, he served as the court’s president from 1970 to 1973. Kindly dont try to hide the facts in future.
Hamza

Ahsan, I have a feeling you intended this as a social experiment, but it seems like people just aren’t getting it, huh.
Ahsan Butt

Not a social experiment per se, but I really thought the tone was self-evident. Oh well.
EMZM

Are you some how related to Hussain Haqqani? such crap logic as to why we shouldn’t believe Manossr Ijaz can only come from his closest people…Your article is immature and funny and so is your mentality.
Ali

He’s actually not an active member of the Ahmadi-Muslim community. So you can trust him :-P
BushraS

After reading your post i was going to leave a comment telling you to expect people to miss your sarcasm and take the post at its face value. Then i read other comments here and saw it has already started happened.
Ahmad

I smell some conspiracy. lol
Seriously thinking why no one has indicated this B4. Well done Mr. Ahsan.
MAV

These Ahmadis come up with funny things at the most odd times. Pakistan is having elections in 2012 and here is Mansoor Ijaz, a US citizen, trying to bring a “bad” name to all the “good” people involved in bringing “democracy” as the “best revenge” in Pakistan. It appears that these Ahmadis have a hidden hand in the “OCCUPY” movement sweeping the US these days.

And if this movement “OCCUPY” has spread in other countries, and these Ahmadis are already present in 200 countries, imagine the marathon of “memogates” and so many of Ijaz Mansoors. Ghairat Brigade must remain prepared for a summersault.

MAV
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Boldmuslim

Well done! I am an Ahmadi and understand what you have written. Author is not saying anything against Ahmadies, he is just humiliating the social behaviour of Pakistanis. Haqqani if found guilty will be pardoned because they will use Mansoor Ijaz faith as a defence. This is very unfortunate but the reality is many crimes can be hidden under such idealogy. Murder, treason, hatred, rape Pakistanis can justify anything or in the name of religion of Islam. Thank you.
Boldmuslim

Well done! I am an Ahmadi and understand what you have written. Author is not saying anything against Ahmadies, he is just humiliating the social behaviour of Pakistanis. Haqqani if found guilty will be pardoned because they will use Mansoor Ijaz faith as a defence. This is very unfortunate but the reality is many crimes can be hidden under such idealogy. Murder, treason, hatred, rape Pakistanis can justify anything or in the name of religion of Islam. Thank you.
Boldmuslim

Well done! I am an Ahmadi and understand what you have written. Author is not saying anything against Ahmadies, he is just humiliating the social behaviour of Pakistanis. Haqqani if found guilty will be pardoned because they will use Mansoor Ijaz faith as a defence. This is very unfortunate but the reality is many crimes can be hidden under such idealogy. Murder, treason, hatred, rape Pakistanis can justify anything or in the name of religion of Islam. Thank you.
Sidrasapra

My Dear this is not a matter of religion. i doubt about the trustworthyness of mr Ahsan Butt. Being journalist he should be neutral but he looks so biased…..
MAV

Sidrasapra, after all it all boils to religion and what morality and value system dictates your every day actions. Ahsan Butt has exposed the hypocracy of a society. Isn’t that what is good journalism about?

MAV
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MAV

Mr.Hashmi,

If Ijaz Mansoor’s story is authentic then there will not be only Haqqani but some others as well. All those who hold dual nationalities and sitting in the parliament should pack up and return to their “second homes”.

AS for their punishment, Pakistanis need not follow Zia style punishments – flogging and hangings. That only adds to the extremist agenda in Pakistan.

MAV
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MAV

Mr.Hashmi,

If Ijaz Mansoor’s story is authentic then there will not be only Haqqani but some others as well. All those who hold dual nationalities and sitting in the parliament should pack up and return to their “second homes”.

AS for their punishment, Pakistanis need not follow Zia style punishments – flogging and hangings. That only adds to the extremist agenda in Pakistan.

MAV
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MAV

Mr.Hashmi,

If Ijaz Mansoor’s story is authentic then there will not be only Haqqani but some others as well. All those who hold dual nationalities and sitting in the parliament should pack up and return to their “second homes”.

AS for their punishment, Pakistanis need not follow Zia style punishments – flogging and hangings. That only adds to the extremist agenda in Pakistan.

MAV
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Firdousee Jaan Khanzai

Why all this noise over Mansoor Ejaz; whether he is Ahmadi, a Sunni or Wahabbi. Ejaz Butt has
the right to defend his boyfriend in Washington and has the right to say his piece. Let him
say it. This is democracy in which only the politicians or criminals do not have a right of defence but also others to protect their boyfriends. Is is right that Haqqani joined the Pride in San
Francisco last year and Ejaz was also with him.
Firdousee Jaan Khanzai

Why all this noise over Mansoor Ejaz; whether he is Ahmadi, a Sunni or Wahabbi. Ejaz Butt has
the right to defend his boyfriend in Washington and has the right to say his piece. Let him
say it. This is democracy in which only the politicians or criminals do not have a right of defence but also others to protect their boyfriends. Is is right that Haqqani joined the Pride in San
Francisco last year and Ejaz was also with him.
Sharat

Ah the pitfalls of sarcasm …
Sharat

Ah the pitfalls of sarcasm …
Sharat

Ah the pitfalls of sarcasm …
guppy

1. I hope you are aware that this post is the top result for ‘Mansoor Ijaz ahmedi’ and will be for some time.

2. You’re waiting for all the facts to come in so you can summarise what everyone knows. Where’s the fun in that?
ordinary man

we should see the matter and its contents not the religion of the person , because basic instincts of telling lie exist in all religions. so can some body guarantee that christian , Hindus or Muslims don’t lie?
True Pakistani

If Haqani was not at fault he would never offer resignation, all three big shots including president, PM and Haqqani would never take so long to inform public about the facts. Mansoor ijaz has done a big favour to Pakistani public by telling the truth. No matter what religion he belongs to. Ahmadis are also Pakistanis and as loyal as others are, they were born here, grown up here, educated here. Since 1947 they are being persecuted in the name of religion, the fact is as of today no one could prove their bad intentions against this country, but there are millions of example of their loyalty towards Pakistan. Now we should get used to this fact that Ahmadis are loyal and Pakistanis. We should settle all the matters together as one nation and as a secular state. Mullahs have split us to rule and feed their big tummies.
True Pakistani

If Haqani was not at fault he would never offer resignation, all three big shots including president, PM and Haqqani would never take so long to inform public about the facts. Mansoor ijaz has done a big favour to Pakistani public by telling the truth. No matter what religion he belongs to. Ahmadis are also Pakistanis and as loyal as others are, they were born here, grown up here, educated here. Since 1947 they are being persecuted in the name of religion, the fact is as of today no one could prove their bad intentions against this country, but there are millions of example of their loyalty towards Pakistan. Now we should get used to this fact that Ahmadis are loyal and Pakistanis. We should settle all the matters together as one nation and as a secular state. Mullahs have split us to rule and feed their big tummies.
True Pakistani

If Haqani was not at fault he would never offer resignation, all three big shots including president, PM and Haqqani would never take so long to inform public about the facts. Mansoor ijaz has done a big favour to Pakistani public by telling the truth. No matter what religion he belongs to. Ahmadis are also Pakistanis and as loyal as others are, they were born here, grown up here, educated here. Since 1947 they are being persecuted in the name of religion, the fact is as of today no one could prove their bad intentions against this country, but there are millions of example of their loyalty towards Pakistan. Now we should get used to this fact that Ahmadis are loyal and Pakistanis. We should settle all the matters together as one nation and as a secular state. Mullahs have split us to rule and feed their big tummies.
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Fine I’ll spell it out h-e i-s b-e-i-n-g s-a-r-c-a-s-t-i-c!
Anonymous

What proof do you have that he is an Ahmadi?
Anonymous

What proof do you have that he is an Ahmadi?
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ETSSF23LAFRACKUVUQXV43V6C4 The Mendicant

Ahasan Butt, you’re a ****ing moron. I lost all respect for you as soon as you claimed that someone’s religion made them “barely qualify as a human being.”

You are EXACTLY what is wrong with the world, and no wonder Pakistan is such a horrible country.

Ahmadis are welcome ANYTIME AT ALL within the United States of America. Idiots like you aren’t.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ETSSF23LAFRACKUVUQXV43V6C4 The Mendicant

Ahasan Butt, you’re a ****ing moron. I lost all respect for you as soon as you claimed that someone’s religion made them “barely qualify as a human being.”

You are EXACTLY what is wrong with the world, and no wonder Pakistan is such a horrible country.

Ahmadis are welcome ANYTIME AT ALL within the United States of America. Idiots like you aren’t.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ETSSF23LAFRACKUVUQXV43V6C4 The Mendicant

Ahasan Butt, you’re a ****ing moron. I lost all respect for you as soon as you claimed that someone’s religion made them “barely qualify as a human being.”

You are EXACTLY what is wrong with the world, and no wonder Pakistan is such a horrible country.

Ahmadis are welcome ANYTIME AT ALL within the United States of America. Idiots like you aren’t.
Mujtaba9

whatever one may say about ME but one thing seems to be true.HH cannot be trusted either.I think its a dispute of nepotism between the these two. bothe have been trying to be in the good books of their masters i.e US.some dispute arose during the course of the competition and the swords came out.ME version favors the masters so it will be highlighted and given more space in the media.whatever comes out of this memo but I m glad to see the departure of HH. Don’t forget he is the one issuing hundreds of visas to secret agents of US without going through regular procedure. Army wanted to see his back and they immediately clung the chance of achieving that.I m sure they will never trust ME on other matters.
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Szachaudry

Ahsan Butt: Ijaz Mansoor is not an AHMEDI your information is not correct.
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If Mansoor Ejaz is Ahmedi then he must not be trusted at all.More over while looking on such an issue ,credibility matters a lot and mansoor Ejaz has no credibilty.Above all,he is an american citizen and he openly said that i work for american interests!Look at his first statement that he opened memo issue becaz media in pakistan was molesting Mikhel Mullin! Bull Shit! This man doesnt even deserves to be listened!
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People should understand from the differing sentences that it is a satire – unfortunately needs an educated mind to understand it – good job though, you have hit the nail in the head by saying 1st that u do not know, then concluding he is ahmadi, then u cannot trust ..superb!
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Mansoor Ijaz should not be trusted because he is Ahmedi. What an absurd argument! Do Ahmedis and Hindus not occupy important positions in Pakistan? Yes they do. then why only M I is singled out as non trust worthy. And this too is being done by the champions of secularism. Let the Supreme Court of Pakistan find out the real culprits.
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Are you nut? What the hell is matter with you? How can you say that Ahmedi’s are not trustworthy?
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Are you nut? What the hell is matter with you? How can you say that Ahmedi’s are not trustworthy?
Imtiaz

I just kind of stumbled in here. How was this knucklehead able to write this piece of trash, starting with an ad hominem, and worse, he deeply believes in his bigotry (?) From his profile, he seems like he’s affiliated with an university. I am just wondering how much of opinions he provides on this page are read by the editors themselves. This is astonishing!
Miskin48

Mansoor Ejaz is trustworthy or not but the fact remains that he is speaking truth this time and more serious truth.
Dr.Rehmann

Hi dear,
No body have rights about a human being to blame, That person who had opinion on Ijaz Mansoor. Those peoples are Against Ahmadi or like other sects. They have criminal mentality. They have no knowledge about Quran. They have only knowledge via mulans.
Please try to understand! Humanity is first of all. Muhammad PBUH says Humanity is first of all than others. We convicting the people in own Justice, that’s not right,
So I’m syed but not mulan.
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You are a piece of ignorant trash. Most absurd piece of writing I have read in my entire life. Only because he is an Ahmadi, he cannot be trusted! What an intelligent piece of argument you present! WoW!
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He cannot not be trusted just because he is Ahmedi, if he is Ahmedi then yes he is not Muslim but that does not mean he cant be trusted, but there are lots contradictions in his statements, he should come to Pakistan and answer questions, this is a full on case of him being an American agent
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